Interview with Leo DeGard, author of Wer Plant den 3. Weltkrieg?
Nyquist: The founding father of modern political science, Niccolo, Machiavelli, wrote in The Discourses, "Before great misfortunes befall a city or a province they are preceded by portents or foretold by men." Machiavelli went on to give examples from ancient and modern history. As he further explained, "The cause of such events should be discussed and explained, I think, by some one versed in things natural and supernatural, and this we are not." He did not have an explanation for supernatural foretellings, and was not the first or last to write on this subject. Titus Livy, the Roman historian, testified to the fact that major events in Roman history had been foretold in advance. In your book, Mr. DeGard, you researched prophecies having to do with a future world war. I also understand that various sources, some going back over 300 years, appear to describe similar events.
DeGard: Yes, it is correct that during several years I have done some research on prophecies. But I have to admit that I did it not on my own. There are some other German-speaking authors who did great work in researching this subject. First of all, Stephan Berndt and Karl Leopold von Lichtenfels who collected and examined several hundred German and European prophecies and who wrote several excellent books about it. Some of these prophecies come from contemporary seers, others are several hundred years old. Some of them have a Christian background and are recognized by the Catholic Church, others are not recognized or originate even from a Muslim background. But regardless of their origin, most of them describe a similar scenario for the future. The well-known secrets of Fatima and the prophecies surrounding this Marian apparition are a typical example for this scenario. In July 1917, just months before the communist revolution in Russia, it was predicted that “Russia will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions against the church.” And this is exactly what happened during the 20th century. But even more important is what Lucia dos Santos, the last seer of the Fatima apparitions, wrote in 1990 concerning the so-called fall of communism. She wrote that the events taking place in Europe were a deception and that Russia was not converted. That means Russia didn't really give up communism. And because of this, she foretold, the changes in Eastern Europe will not lead to peace but there will be another war when Russia attacks the West and China invades in Asia. The European prophecies describe the beginning, the circumstances and the results of this war in remarkable detail. Many of them confirm and complement each other. And the starting point of this war, as it was predicted, is quite similar to the global situation we are experiencing today.
Nyquist: Please tell us what countries are expected to start the next world war, according to these prophecies. And how does the war start?
LeGard: According to the European prophecies the attacking countries will be the two communist powers Russia and China on the one side and the Western European countries together with the U.S. on the other side. As to the start of the war, first there should be a war in the Middle East around Israel, including at least Syria. At the same time there should be another crisis in the Balkans, involving the Russians. Civil-war-like conditions will rage in several European countries, especially in Italy, Spain and France. According to several prophetic sources during this crisis sometime in spring we could expect a nuclear terrorist attack against New York that would be attributed to Arab terrorists. It is not clear on which side the Eastern European countries will take part in this war, except for Poland and Ukraine. It is foretold that before the outbreak of global war there would be fighting in Galicia (Western Ukraine, Eastern Poland). Serbia joins the Russian side while Poland stands up against the Russians and takes the side of the West. There are signs that the Russians will occupy the Eastern European countries and Austria some months before the outbreak of global war without much resistance. Of course we do not know in which year the war will take place but the occupation of Eastern Europe should also be expected in springtime. When, during springtime, the crisis in the Balkans and the Middle East happens, when New York is attacked and the Soviets occupy Eastern Europe, then global war should break out in the following summer and it should last about three months. After the occupation of Eastern Europe it is foretold that the Russians will first attack and occupy the Scandinavian countries in the north and Italy and maybe parts of France in the south. After this we should expect an attack against Germany from the east that will advance to the river Rhine where it is stopped. There are prophecies on the use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East and in the Balkans but the center of destruction in Europe seems to be the Czech Republic. There are several prophecies describing some kind of a devastating battle with probably tactical nuclear weapons in Bohemia near the Bavarian border, where only desert remains. There are also prophecies on the use of at least two strong nuclear weapons beneath the surface of the North Sea and the Mediterranean Sea causing catastrophic tsunamis along the coasts. You may remember that [Vladimir] Zhirinovsky already threatened to use exactly such a tsunami-weapon against England. Concerning the U.S.A., it seems that at least some nuclear weapons are used against U.S. cities, delivered by missiles from Russian submarines. Other sources predict a broad nuclear exchange, including a Chinese and Russian invasion in Alaska and Canada. But it is also very clearly foretold that the Americans will defeat the invading communist armies on the American battlefield. And this is also the fate of the invading Russian tank armies in Europe. They will be defeated totally. As a result of this, a counter-revolution breaks out in Russia followed by mass slaughter. According to one respected seer, the communist leaders in Russia will commit suicide. What happens to China is unclear but there are some signs that the Chinese might change sides during the war and turn their weapons against the Russians. But the fate of China is not known. During fall, around October, we expect a widespread phenomenon that we cannot explain but it is foretold in many prophecies. It is called the “three days of darkness.” It seems to be a huge natural disaster, a kind of huge cloud of ashes or gases that covers the sun, pollutes the air and kills everyone who is outside a closed house. It doesn’t seem to be nuclear fallout because it seems to be a worldwide phenomenon that lasts only about three days. It has definitely nothing to do with “nuclear winter,” because the story of “nuclear winter” was a Soviet disinformation operation. Whatever this phenomenon may be, it ends the war. Most western nations will survive and win this war, but millions will die and the political landscape thereafter will change completely. This time, there won’t be any communism any more. In Europe we can expect the resurrection of monarchies. We don’t know the political future of America but at least it won‘t be defeated by the communist aggressors. This is roughly the scenario predicted in the majority of European prophecies.
Nyquist: You mention that some of these prophets are respected. Did some of them predict events that have already transpired? Is this why they are respected? Also, you mention a return to monarchy in Europe. I seem to recall a letter Nostradamus wrote to the King of France describing a future transition from monarchy to republican government. This letter also indicated that republican government would not last forever and a return back to monarchy would occur -- perhaps indicating the early 21st century. Am I remembering this correctly?
DeGard: It seems that Nostradamus implied something like this but I have to admit that Nostradamus in my opinion does not belong to the highly respected prophetic sources. Because, as you surely know, all his prophecies are encoded in a way that nobody understands what he really wanted to say. I believe that he indeed had the gift of prophecy but there are many much better and much more definite predictions made by other seers and therefore I avoid Nostradamus largely. The most respected prophetic sources in my opinion are first the Bavarian seer Alois Irlmaier who lived from 1894 to 1959 and second the so called “Feldpostbriefe” by Andreas Rill. Alois Irlmaier surely was the best German seer known today. He proved his prophetic gift many hundreds of times when after the Second World War many hundreds or even thousands of people visited him to obtain information about the fate of their relatives who were lost during the war. Once, his prophetic gift was even attested by a German court of law. It was indeed Irlmaier who foretold the suicide of the Russian leadership at the end of World War III. Concerning the future of Germany, Irlmaier predicted for example that first there would be wealth like never before. This came true with the legendary “Wirtschaftswunder” of the 1950s and 1960s. Then second, there would be a loss of religious belief like never before. This loss of faith began years after Irlmaier's death with the Second Vatican Council in 1962 that destroyed the Catholic liturgy and opened the Church for coexistence with socialism. Third, he predicted an indecency like never before – and this came true with the coming of the Marxist counterculture, with hippies and the so-called Sexual Revolution during the 1960s and 1970s. Next he foretold that many foreign people would come to Germany. This came true with the Muslim immigration of the 1970s and 1980s that lasts until today. The next step would be a large inflation when the money will lose its value more and more. I guess we will see exactly this in the near future with the breaking down of the European currency. Soon there would be revolution and then the Russians will attack the West very suddenly overnight. So Irlmaier's prophetic gift is definitely proved. Concering the “Feldpostbriefe” there is even a material piece of paper dating from 1914 with prophecies describing the outcome of the First World War, the political confusion up to the Second World War even with some specific dates and some more prophecies for the future including the Third World War. This is of course a prophetic source of the highest quality possible. Similar to Irlmaier, these letters predict a Russian surprise attack against Germany that will result in a total defeat for Russia. Another example is a Bavarian prophecy from 1912 by a seer called Sepp Wudy that depicts the burning down of the Bohemian forest with an impressive description of the effects of nuclear warfare including radiation sickness. There are many more quite precise and explicit prophecies that either came true already or probably will come true in the near future and many of them predict the Third World War and its outcome quite congruently.
Nyquist: Do we have anything specific on how the Russian attack is defeated? I imagine the Russian people would not be enthusiast about such a war.
DeGard: We have only a hint for the reason of the Russian defeat on the European battlefield. Irlmaier and some others described the use of some kind of chemical agent along the Russian supply lines by the Western forces resembling the infamous “yellow rain” that was used by the Soviets in Southeast Asia. Irlmaier described the effects of this agent and it is very similar to the symptoms of T-2 mycotoxin but it may be a different chemical substance because, according to his description, it seems to be a binary warfare agent consisting of a green and a yellow component. I want to emphasize that these prophecies were published in several German newspapers and books beginning in the 1950s at a time when binary chemical weapons did not yet exist. It seems that the use of this chemical agent and also the use of nuclear weapons is a reason for the disruption of the Russian supply lines to Western Europe. As a result, the Russian battle order breaks down and the Russian tank armies are encircled near Ulm and in Westphalia where they are defeated. Especially the battle in Westphalia, called the “Endtime Battle at the Birch Tree,” is a main element of the German prophecies and it was predicted quite often through the centuries. The oldest written source for this is from 1701. It is also predicted several times that the Russians would commit atrocities against the civilians and therefore not only Western armies would fight the Russians but also many civilians would join the fighting. As a result no Russian soldier would be left alive. Just as the ancient Roman governor Varus experienced the Furor Teutonicus with his legions in the battle of the Teutoburg Forest, it seems history will repeat itself. Another reason for the failure of the Russian assault may be the counter-revolution and the beginning civil war in Russia itself; but unfortunately further details are not known.
Nyquist: It is very interesting that Machiavelli affirmed the validity of prophecy, writing that great calamities against cities and nations are always foretold by signs, prophecies and portents. I cannot help mentioning this before asking what role prophecies mention the role played by Arab and Muslim countries in the coming global war?
DeGard: I remember what Machiavelli wrote, which I think the prophecy researcher Fabio Araujo from Brazil quoted in one of his books. The Arabs are mentioned several times, of course, in the predictions concerning the war in the Middle East involving Israel but also when it comes to the civil war-like conditions in Europe. For example, Irlmaier said that there would be riots involving Muslims in Germany for several months before the war and that Muslims would try to control a region along the river Rhine for a while. I guess these riots must be seen as part of the Russian pre-war "Overture" operation as it was described by GRU defector Victor Suvorov. Iran is mentioned rarely. It seems Iran is involved in the war in the Middle East and there are prophecies that the Russians would invade into Pakistan, Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan. There is even a Muslim prophecy predicting that Turkey would be invaded by "red people" and would become communist. It continues: "Huge Russian forces will be in the west of Aleppo. They will advance towards the plain of Yarmuq near Aleppo. At the same time, the American forces will be in Turkey, near Adana at the sea. On this plain there will be a great battle." Another prophecy from Austria predicts a Soviet assault into the Middle East up to Saudi Arabia and fierce battles with American forces. The exact course of events in the Middle East is not known but it seems that the whole region of the Middle East is a huge battlefield and both Russians and Americans are taking part in the fights. Irlmaier spoke about fleets opposing each other in a crisis around Syria before the war as it seems. One seer said the Russians will advance at the same moment the U.S. Forces retreat from Europe before the war. That means we could expect at least a partial withdrawal of U.S. troops from Germany shortly before the war and this would be the beginning of the Russian expansion. The American continent is only mentioned in the prediction of the Russian-Chinese invasion into Alaska and Canada and the nuclear war between Russia and the U.S.
Nyquist: I cannot help asking about the European financial crisis. It is a bit off topic, but the prophecies do mention financial troubles. What can you tell us?
DeGard: I wished you would ask me an easier question, because I have absolutely no idea what will happen next in the European financial crisis. That means, I have no idea which accounting fraud our socialist European politicians will try next, but I am sure that it will fail, just like all their tricks failed before. I have to admit that I am no expert in financial matters but I‘m watching this crisis since it began and I wonder all the time how long our politicians will succeed with their obvious delayed filing of insolvency. Because that is exactly what they are doing in my opinion. With all their bailout packages they just delay the inevitable disintegration of the European currency. I talked to some financial experts and listened to their opinions but I still don’t know if it will end with a hyperinflation or a haircut or whatever; but they agree that our politicians didn’t solve any of the fundamental problems. The only thing they are doing with their crisis management is delaying the crash and raising the drop height when in the end all will break down. I suppose that the result of this policy will be riots, insurgency and civil war-like conditions. One is reminded of what Lenin allegedly said: “The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency.” Two years ago there was a huge banner hanging down the Acropolis in Athens and written on it we saw the demand by the Greek communist party “Peoples of Europe, rise up.” This is what will happen in Greece, Italy and Spain, the communists will use the economic difficulties for their class warfare and foster civil war-like conditions. The Occupy-movement is a classic example of a communist popular front. Today the communists incite the people to revolt, tomorrow they probably will call Moscow for friendly assistance and pacification of the domestic chaos. This may sound exaggerated at first, but indeed there are already rumors circulating in Germany that Russia one day would "help us" against the Muslim immigrants in case of a breakdown of the public order. If such a condition occurs, then – no doubt – the situation will be “normalized” in Soviet-style, just like KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov described it.
Nyquist: Is Russia attempting to gain political influence Europe? Is political subversion continuing as during the Cold War?
DeGard: Yes, I think this is definitely so. Of course this is not surprising for the political Left and the European communist parties, because the Soviet connection was obvious in the case of the Stalinist parties in Europe. And we also know from Anatoliy Golitsyn that the so-called “independent” Eurocommunist parties as well were controlled and financed by Moscow all the time. But it may be surprising to imagine that the European Right also seems to be controlled by Moscow. If you take a close look at their publications, you will find recurring elements among their usual patriotic and nationalistic contents that correspond exactly to the strategic aims of the Kremlin. In general you will find an explicit anti-NATO and anti-U.S. attitude and at the same time very much sympathy for the Russian regime and its activities. Sometimes they even agree with the communist regime in China, especially when there is a dispute between China and the U.S. There are German Right Wing publications repeatedly publishing Soviet officials like Gorbachev’s advisor Vyacheslav Dashichev, who is regarded as an “outstanding figure of international right-wing extremism,” by the German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution. Interestingly, Dashichev is considered a main protagonist behind the end of the Cold War and the German reunification. There are other highly suspicious people appearing in these publications who usually are collaborating with Russian state television and who for example demand the withdrawal of the U.S. forces from Germany, call on NATO soldiers to refuse to obey their orders or agitate against the planned European missile shield without, of course, even mentioning the Russian nuclear missiles that are threatening Germany and Europe. I’d say most of the important Right Wing publications in Germany are distributors of Russian disinformation. The left wing publications distribute a slightly deviating theme of the very same Russian disinformation. And as a result of this, both the Left and the Right in Europe agree in their anti-American and anti-NATO attitudes and become “useful idiots” of Moscow’s overall strategy to dominate Europe after the planned dissolution of NATO and the isolation of the U.S. The French Right Wing presidential candidate Marine le Pen for example promised to pull France out of NATO and to forge a “privileged partnership” with Russia because of “obvious civilization and geostrategic factors” and France's “energy security interests.” This reminds me of Gorbachev‘s concept of the “Common European Home” or in other words a common EUSSR from the Atlantic to the Pacific including the former Soviet Union. But there is one more component. You have to consider not only the Left and the Right but also the role of the Muslim immigrants. You will remember that the Soviets created islamic terrorism and that the murdered KGB-defector Alexander Litvinenko reported that al-Zawahiri was trained by the KGB. Former KGB-officer Konstantin Preobrazhenskiy supported this claim and Ion Pacepa told the same about Yasser Arafat. In Europe we now have a rising problem with so called Muslim hate preachers who try to agitate the Muslim immigrants against the European local peoples and of course also against Russia’s main enemy, the U.S. The interesting question is, if Islamic terrorists like Arafat and al-Zawahiri were agents of the KGB, how can I be sure that these Muslim hate preachers are not also KGB-agents of influence trying to stir up civil wars in Europe. So it looks as if Moscow not only is controlling the Left but also the Right and probably even the militant parts of the Islamic minorities. If this is true, then I’d say this social cocktail is ready to explode at any time and a financial breakdown in Europe may be the very spark to ignite it.
Nyquist: Thank Leo DeGard.
China Loads Cruise Ship with Troops and Tanks
An interesting piece from Wired.com is about the commissioning of the Green Pearl, a Chinese "military cruise ship." On the one hand, the ship is for civilian use. On the other hand, it is for transporting troops and tanks across the Pacific. Is it intended for an invasion of Taiwan? According to wired, "What's more likely is using the Green Pearl for ... operations distant from China's shores. 'Beijing seems rather comfortable with the situation in the Taiwan Strait and is clearly looking beyond Taiwan, as it has been for some time now,' [Jim] Holmes [an associate professor of strategy at the Navy War College] says. "Such a vessel could be a workhorse for any mission involving amphibious operations...."
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Authenticating China’s Strategy: Letter to a friend
The following commentary should be appended to a discussion of the alleged speech of General Chi Haotian about destroying and invading the United States: In this regard you suggest (1) that the speech is a hoax. This is entirely possible, although close analysis tends in another direction. Strategy is my subject and my life-longstudy. Believe it or not, it is possible in strategy to know certain things indirectly, by inference and analysis. After careful consideration, with regard to the speeches attributed to General Chi, I think it is unwise to say “we don’t know” and “it doesn’t matter.” In fact, it’s not impossible to analyze a document to determine its authenticity. Here is a task entirely within the reach of a strategic analyst. Furthermore, if the document is authentic then it matters a great deal; for the enemy’s intentions are laid bare, with countless implications (and potential war-winning insights). When we first encounter an unfamiliar text, we don’t know how to judge it. We are completely lost, and this is normal. Those who claim to understand something on first contact are deceiving themselves. Nothing worth knowing is understood immediately. When I first read the two speeches attributed to General Chi Haotian my reaction was to dismiss them as you did. When I read the first paragraph of the second speech, I rolled my eyes and laughed at what seemed to be an obvious fraud. At first reading they were not credible. (This is the same reaction I had to Golitsyn in 1984). Two years elapsed and, as chance would have it, I was doing some research on Mao Zedong’s strategic ideas. In the midst of this research I was stunned by Mao’s determination to build a fleet and invade North America. I was also struck by the brutality and cynicism of his statements. I went back and started re-reading Sun Tzu and the commentaries on Sun Tzu. My mind suddenly drifted back to the two speeches attributed to General Chi Haotian.
On my second reading I realized these speeches are only incredible from a Western point of view. From a Chinese strategist’s point of view, these speeches are consistent with 2,500 years of Chinese history and thought. There is nothing inauthentic in these two speeches. If they are a hoax, then a genius produced them. More than that, this aforesaid genius possesses authentic tidbits of military intelligence that are not known by the general public — but were revealed to me by a high-ranking Russian military defector with more than three years experience in China. Mao once said that the first Chin emperor was nothing compared with himself. The first Chin emperor only killed a thousand Confucian scholars. Mao had killed hundreds of thousands of Confucian scholars. This was Mao’s boast. Such boasting is unknown to Western history, except to figures who are dismissed as madmen. One is reminded of the Chinese warlord whose father was taken prisoner and held hostage by a rival. In this instance, the rival threatened to boil the old man alive. The war lord sent his reply: “Save me some of the soup.” One has to dig through the Dark Ages of Western history to find anything like it. Or else it is something from the history of Caligula or Nero or Eliagabulus, who were considered dreadful failures and misfits. In China such behavior on the part of leaders has long been normalized. The Western ethic, which followed from the hero-worship of the ancient Greeks and Romans, places nobility as the true standard of greatness.
Chinese civilization places a high premium on realistic thinking, brutality and success. This is greatness in the Chinese context. How does this point argue the authenticity of the alleged speeches of General Chi? A person who disagrees with the strategic culture of China, favoring freedom and humane government, doesn’t possess the mentality needed to reproduce such a brilliant piece of mimicry. One would have to be a student of Sun Tzu and the Chin emperor and Mao Zedong, not a student of Thomas Jefferson or Lincoln. Such a student would not value freedom, having absorbed a philosophy entirely at odds with Western culture. More than that, it is a culture that believes in the West’s weakness and inevitable fall. If you were going to advance a fraudulent speech by a Chinese communist leader, would you dare put into his mouth the statement that Nazi Germany was “too soft”? Would you dare open your first paragraph with the assertion that you are pleased that 80 percent of Chinese polled would approve killing women and children in a war? Anyone with the sophistication to produce this document would have avoided going so far, fearing that the reader would laugh out loud at such an obvious propaganda fraud. Only a simple person would start Chi’s second speech with that kind of paragraph, and a simple person did not compose this speech!
To make a credible fraud, you have to downplay the wickedness of the Communists. You must be subtle in your presentation so that the fraud has a chance to sound credible. But the Chi speech is not subtle as a fraudulent presentation would have to be. Instead, it is deep and profound and brilliant in its totalitarian perspective. The compassion for the American victims comes late in the second speech, long after the skeptics would’ve stopped reading it. I do not know if the speech is genuine. But if I had to lay a bet, then I’d wager on its authenticity. That is to say, I suspect it is authentic. And the way to test its authenticity is to see if Chinese actions are consistent with its program. There is something more, as well. I know from my discussions with a Russian defector that Russia and China agreed to split North America between them as follows: Russia would get Alaska and parts of Canada, while China would get the lower 48 states (which contains the best land). The agreement on this was affirmed by the Russian General Staff in early 1992. This joint agreement on a future wa ragainst America is the basis for the Sino-Russian alliance. And if you read General Chi’s speech carefully, you will see that he brilliantly lays out the logic of the Chinese offensive and their means of advancing. He does not mention Russia’s role because Party cadres don’t need to know about Russia’s military contribution. They only need the most general strategic outline and why the war is necessary. You must read this speech several times in order to understand its profound science. If this speech is counterfeit, the counterfeiter spent many years devising it. In fact, a hoax of this type could only be produced, as I noted before, by a genuis. If General Chi was not the author, then the author should be a general — and ought to have General Chi’s job.
In point (2) you mention 9/11. Chi’s speech explains why a false flag terror attack is necessary in advance of a biological warfare offensive against the United States. As would be proper, General Chi gives nothing away. He merely implies that the Americans will not know who is really attacking them. This is intrinsic to his speech, even though he doesn’t spare words explaining why. In point (3) you ask if this is good propaganda material against communism. Since our goal is to understand the enemy, the propaganda value is of secondary importance.
